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. >>> plus president obama playing cards the night of the osama bin laden raid? >>> alfonso syria know collects a month's worth of stats in two games. >>> and the university of california study on what kind of cars the biggest jerks on the road drive. good morning, i'm mara schiavocampo. we begin with more uncertainty in egypt. this after security forces cracked down on supporters of the deposed president. newspapers at home and around the world all capturing the deadly violence right on today's front pages this morning. egypt's vice president is out and leaders are wondering if today will be another day of chaos. nbc's aymon moyahyeldin is in cairo this morning. >> reporter: people are trying to bring back a sense of normally after a day that was anything but normal. yesterday police broke up two major protests, this time 24 hours ago those operations are in full swing. the scope of the death toll is still being realized. right now health officials say at least 421 people were killed, more than 3,500 have been injured and that is not the final death toll. they s
. >>> plus president obama playing cards the night of the osama bin laden raid? >>> alfonso syria know collects a month's worth of stats in two games. >>> and the university of california study on what kind of cars the biggest jerks on the road drive. good morning, i'm mara schiavocampo. we begin with more uncertainty in egypt. this after security forces cracked down on supporters of the deposed president. newspapers at home and around the world all capturing the...
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this will now drive them to couriers, which were what led us to osama bin laden but were very hard to find and they're very hard to find discrete information from unless you compromise the courier. so this is a different situation. our intelligence experts will have to respond to it. but i wondered a little bit about all of the open talk here. >> you know the embassy security situation. we have a number of consulates and embassies that are not well defended. they are remaining closed. baghdad and kabul which were virtually fortresses have been reopened. but you can't put enough marines and you can't build enough walls to make these embassies safe. >> nor can you stay home in the compound for all time and still do your job effectively. everyone of these reps a degradation of our capacity and that's important. the ability to protect and take risks is in fact what the benghazi report is all about and it is not one way or the other. hopefully in fact the judgment is good. it seems to me good. the notion of closing for a week, while it is perhaps a little bit unusual, is not so terrible. w
this will now drive them to couriers, which were what led us to osama bin laden but were very hard to find and they're very hard to find discrete information from unless you compromise the courier. so this is a different situation. our intelligence experts will have to respond to it. but i wondered a little bit about all of the open talk here. >> you know the embassy security situation. we have a number of consulates and embassies that are not well defended. they are remaining closed....
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i don't think the administration that got osama bin laden, rhetorical bluster didn't bring oun osama bin laden, actual intelligence and aggressive maneuvers ron insana side of pakistan did. i don't think the former dictators in libya or in egypt would think that this president has been weak. i think what we've seen is a president who has tried to get the united states to conform and comport with the sort of moral standing that -- >> i don't think -- now i feel i need to counter on the other side, because the fact of the matter is barack obama has adopted policies that i think have actually been less targeted. he will fire drones into countries where we aren't even at war. when we had a plan, a policy, a program that would allow us to go and snatch terrorists out like khalid sheikh mohammed. bring them out without killing their 4-year-old daughters, without killing their grandmothers, without killing everybody in the general vicinity. and i've got to say, nothing that he has done has made us comport to international standards more than under george w. bush or dick cheney. in fact, you
i don't think the administration that got osama bin laden, rhetorical bluster didn't bring oun osama bin laden, actual intelligence and aggressive maneuvers ron insana side of pakistan did. i don't think the former dictators in libya or in egypt would think that this president has been weak. i think what we've seen is a president who has tried to get the united states to conform and comport with the sort of moral standing that -- >> i don't think -- now i feel i need to counter on the...
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how is it different than it was when osama bin laden was alive? >> bin laden believed in centralization. he believed in a centralized organize station. that didn't work. al qaeda didn't work because the united states went into afghanistan and bombed all the camps to dust. what ended up happening is there were other operatives from al qaeda who realized it is better to have affiliates and different groups in different countries with their own leadership, media wings and coordinate at the top level. even if al qaeda disappears in one country or another, it persists in particular areas that it has a longstanding presence. places like yemen. >> when you look at the number of organizations you see those. yet yemen issued a statement saying the evacuation serves the interests of the ex treemists. they use it as a re kruting tool. we have talked about inspire magazine which they use to inspire people to jihad. they always have said that when the united states takes an action to keep its citizens safe it's a victory for them. >> they had an entire edition
how is it different than it was when osama bin laden was alive? >> bin laden believed in centralization. he believed in a centralized organize station. that didn't work. al qaeda didn't work because the united states went into afghanistan and bombed all the camps to dust. what ended up happening is there were other operatives from al qaeda who realized it is better to have affiliates and different groups in different countries with their own leadership, media wings and coordinate at the...
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this is a guy who is in afghanistan, alongside osama bin laden and kaurted and went back to prison and escaped from prison. >> what is going on with these prison breaks? >> it's scary. >> this was while ago but we had someone the last couple of weeks as well. >> the last couple of weeks very dramatic prison breaks. over a thousand taliban prisoners were able to escape in the hinterlands. a couple of days ago 4,000 prisoners walked out of leppo prisoner after islamic state of iraq launched an attack on that prison. we have seen prison breaks in iraq and abu ghraib and elsewhere. some of them gotten out we never will see again but unfortunately we will see some again and we will find out they are as dedicated what they were sent there to begin with. >> general, what do we need to do? what is the strategy moving forward? because when it comes to the middle east, obviously, we are getting out of iraq and afghanistan. we are helping some of the rebels some syria. seems like we are relying on drones to go after so many targets now. what is the strategy moving forward? >> i think we have prob
this is a guy who is in afghanistan, alongside osama bin laden and kaurted and went back to prison and escaped from prison. >> what is going on with these prison breaks? >> it's scary. >> this was while ago but we had someone the last couple of weeks as well. >> the last couple of weeks very dramatic prison breaks. over a thousand taliban prisoners were able to escape in the hinterlands. a couple of days ago 4,000 prisoners walked out of leppo prisoner after islamic...
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the fact of the matter is we've always known despite the killing of osama bin laden that there's been a series of franchise organizations directly related to al qaeda. they've been in the caucuses in the north africa and the al qaeda which committed attacks in amgeria, as well as in libya. there have been, of course, the granddaddy of these franchise groups. al qaeda and the arabian peninsula where the continuous secret shadowy drone wars continue as we speak against terrorists. just the other day the u.s. drone strike took out a series of al qaeda operatives and now we something we never wanted to see again. al qaeda in iraq has resurrected itself and more al qaeda operatives in syria. and then, just within the last 24 hours, mara, the dr. evil of al qaeda, the number two who's still alive and needs to be dead issued a statement after several years calling on attacks on united states. so, there's a confluence of circumstances, including the end of ramadan to make this a very unholy period for american diplomacy. >> now, let's turn to the middle east peace talks which took place earli
the fact of the matter is we've always known despite the killing of osama bin laden that there's been a series of franchise organizations directly related to al qaeda. they've been in the caucuses in the north africa and the al qaeda which committed attacks in amgeria, as well as in libya. there have been, of course, the granddaddy of these franchise groups. al qaeda and the arabian peninsula where the continuous secret shadowy drone wars continue as we speak against terrorists. just the other...
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the man who succeeded osama bin laden zawahiri. the two men reportedly agreed that they wanted to do something big. timed to the end of the muslim holy month of ramadan which is right now. and that's what led the united states to close 19 embassies. there they are on the map and consulates in the mideast and africa. there's still a lot that remains unknown including which target. over the weekend, one thing clear from every lawmaker and official with knowledge of the attack, nobody's crying wolf here. this is one of the most serious threats in years. >> been an awful lot of hatter out there, chatter means conversations among terrorists about the planning that's going on, very reminiscent of what we saw pre-9/11. this is the most serious threat that i've seen in the last several years. >> we need to know and realize we're living in an increasingly dangerous world and this many specific threat that we've been briefed on over and over again has reached a new level. >> i must say this is probably one of the most specific incredible thr
the man who succeeded osama bin laden zawahiri. the two men reportedly agreed that they wanted to do something big. timed to the end of the muslim holy month of ramadan which is right now. and that's what led the united states to close 19 embassies. there they are on the map and consulates in the mideast and africa. there's still a lot that remains unknown including which target. over the weekend, one thing clear from every lawmaker and official with knowledge of the attack, nobody's crying...
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bin laden and decimated a good part of the central command of al qaeda, we must continue to realize and we tend to forgot that these franchise cells throughout the middle east have proliferated and it's extraordinary important for us to understand why that threat is diffused for that very reason. >> let's talk about one of those cells. we keep hearing about al qaeda in the arab peninsula. they have an incredibly skilled bombmaker. what else can you tell us about them and how they might be involved? >> it's unclear at this point. there were tli drone strikes in yemen five days last week and a lot of activity going on there. they tried to carry out the 2009 bombing of an airliner flying in detroit that was an underwear bomb. there is increasing sophisticating from that in yemen. problems in yemen troops have been sort of not fighting. they have been rebelling against the government. i think yemen is a real challenge for the obama administration. they have tried to use drone strikes there. they have tried training and it has not worked well. i think they might need to reassess what the
bin laden and decimated a good part of the central command of al qaeda, we must continue to realize and we tend to forgot that these franchise cells throughout the middle east have proliferated and it's extraordinary important for us to understand why that threat is diffused for that very reason. >> let's talk about one of those cells. we keep hearing about al qaeda in the arab peninsula. they have an incredibly skilled bombmaker. what else can you tell us about them and how they might be...
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braced for retaliation after americans' special operations killed osama bin laden two years ago. this time multiple sources tell nbc news the threat originates from yemen from a plot by al qaeda's branch in the arabe yan peninsula. the suspected target or targets are not just american diplomats in embassies but western interests in general. we're told the threat is credible, serious and timed for now. the tail end of ramadan. the targets' location is also believed to be in yemen but some u.s. officials worried plotters could try to strike beyond that country and initiate it, a blanket catch-all response. >> this is undoubtedly a serious threat but should be also hotted in what happened in benghazi officials are taking no chances whatsoever so a similar threat six months ago might not see the same reaction we see today. >> reporter: so why al qaeda in yemen? it has a core group of skilled bombmakers and propagandists who operate in areas where the government has little authority. the group is motivated and aggressive. it's also under attack. last month one of its top leaders, hasa
braced for retaliation after americans' special operations killed osama bin laden two years ago. this time multiple sources tell nbc news the threat originates from yemen from a plot by al qaeda's branch in the arabe yan peninsula. the suspected target or targets are not just american diplomats in embassies but western interests in general. we're told the threat is credible, serious and timed for now. the tail end of ramadan. the targets' location is also believed to be in yemen but some u.s....
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the second part tells the story of two men from yemen including one who was a driver for osama bin laden. miss poitras is still working on the third installment in that trilogy which is about u.s. surveillance of phone calls and e-mails and so on since 9/11. she posted a bit of that one last year on "the new york
the second part tells the story of two men from yemen including one who was a driver for osama bin laden. miss poitras is still working on the third installment in that trilogy which is about u.s. surveillance of phone calls and e-mails and so on since 9/11. she posted a bit of that one last year on "the new york
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bin laden and the 15 leaders of al qaeda i've taken off the field. the notion that this guy is somehow appeasing our enemies is so preposterous. >> do you think they have polled on this, the neocons, they figure after the embarrassment of iraq, a war they wanted to fight. they wanted to fight the war. george w. wanted to fight it, and the vice president wanted to fight it. they all wanted to fight it. okay. they decided that we have sort of forgotten that, and now they're coming back. bolton is back, kristol is back. do you think -- do the think it's time for more rousing? when they say retaliation, their idea of retaliation after 9/11, steve, was going into iraq. retaliation. what does that mean? >> i have never gotten the impression that their world views were radically altered by what happened in the last decade, after the invasion of iraq. i don't think the world view was changed. i think they sense an opportunity within the republican party, the argument in the republican party over foreign policy. whenever they see an opportunity to connect the
bin laden and the 15 leaders of al qaeda i've taken off the field. the notion that this guy is somehow appeasing our enemies is so preposterous. >> do you think they have polled on this, the neocons, they figure after the embarrassment of iraq, a war they wanted to fight. they wanted to fight the war. george w. wanted to fight it, and the vice president wanted to fight it. they all wanted to fight it. okay. they decided that we have sort of forgotten that, and now they're coming back....
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bin laden's secretary. lastly, the group in yemen has been attacked quite aggressively by yemeni fources and saudi forces and american drones and therefore is looking for an opportunity for revenge. >> nbc's richard engel reporting in cairo. thank you. >>> joining to us continue this conversation is democratic senator from oregon, jeff markly. senator, good to have you here. obviously, as we have been talking about off the top of this hour it's the new normal of what is taking place in relation to the embassy closings. i want to play more from what we heard from richard haass this morning on "morning joe." >> this is not an exception. this is in some ways the inevitable result of a middle east that is increasely careening out of control and the problem is not strong governments but weak governments who are not in control of large things that go on within their boardses. >> so talking there about the weak governments. again, to remind everybody whether it comes to our embassies we rely heavily on the country
bin laden's secretary. lastly, the group in yemen has been attacked quite aggressively by yemeni fources and saudi forces and american drones and therefore is looking for an opportunity for revenge. >> nbc's richard engel reporting in cairo. thank you. >>> joining to us continue this conversation is democratic senator from oregon, jeff markly. senator, good to have you here. obviously, as we have been talking about off the top of this hour it's the new normal of what is taking...
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>> it shows ayman al swear who has not had the same kind of international profile osama bin laden had wants to put himself on the world stage and asking his most effective assassin to do that. you asked about the drone campaign, a follow-up to what bobby was saying. al qaeda did control a piece of the country. either not just a drone campaign. there is an active war by the yemeni government that the u.s. is involved with in southern yemen. >> bob, i want to caulk aboutta, operational as the united states government says it is, as concerned as the u.s. government says it is. you've pointed out, they haven't been very successful. >> well, i think the key thing here is that what you have is a situation where they certainly have not been able to kill the top leaders. what you have here three leaders targeted last week remain active, including al wuhayshi. i think that is something that is very worth questioning. because if you are pressing such a drone cam fein as the u.s. is and the top three guys are still active, still operational, that does call into question its effectiveness. >> bob
>> it shows ayman al swear who has not had the same kind of international profile osama bin laden had wants to put himself on the world stage and asking his most effective assassin to do that. you asked about the drone campaign, a follow-up to what bobby was saying. al qaeda did control a piece of the country. either not just a drone campaign. there is an active war by the yemeni government that the u.s. is involved with in southern yemen. >> bob, i want to caulk aboutta,...
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it was the affiliate that osama bin laden thought had the best chance of really being powerful and causing a long-term threat. the information is vague. it is from intercepts. although it's not, thank goodness, the meta data from the u.s. because there's no evidence of there being in contact with somebody in the u.s. and being captured in that meta data. there's a reference to being heard from the enemy, which leads people to think it's the u.s. but could also be western europe. what makes this so scary is that the chatter is going back and forth in part between al qaeda in yemen and core al qaeda, which is loosely based, still, in pakistan, the tribal areas, afghanistan. maybe even the top figure in al qaeda now, with bin laden gone, ayman al zawahiri. so this combination of things makes it looks to people scarier than some of the chatter they picked up. >> can you put this in perspective over the last ten years, let's say, it used to be that we heard of the chatter going on around the clock. we had a discussion yesterday on "meet the press" about the ability of al qaeda to still strike c
it was the affiliate that osama bin laden thought had the best chance of really being powerful and causing a long-term threat. the information is vague. it is from intercepts. although it's not, thank goodness, the meta data from the u.s. because there's no evidence of there being in contact with somebody in the u.s. and being captured in that meta data. there's a reference to being heard from the enemy, which leads people to think it's the u.s. but could also be western europe. what makes this...
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bin laden. what is also true is that al qaeda and affiliated organizations represent a continued threat to the united states. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is 22 past the hour. >> 8:22 a.m. eastern time. >> that's when you're at your best, 8:22. that's where you peak. so nicole, it's so fascinating listening to the obama administration talking about the threat from al qaeda. they are balancing so many of the same things that the bush administration balanced. what's interesting is when they put america on high alert, you don't have everybody in the press going, are they doing this for political reasons. aren't you waiting for the first major newspaper to make that suggestion? i haven't heard it yet. >> it is interesting. i think this is a place where where else do we have representative king and jay carney saying exactly the same thing, singing from exactly the same song sheet. it gives us reinsurance about the truth of something incredibly dire and depressing, the threat of terrorism is a
bin laden. what is also true is that al qaeda and affiliated organizations represent a continued threat to the united states. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is 22 past the hour. >> 8:22 a.m. eastern time. >> that's when you're at your best, 8:22. that's where you peak. so nicole, it's so fascinating listening to the obama administration talking about the threat from al qaeda. they are balancing so many of the same things that the bush administration balanced....